“The Boy Who Wants to Live Forever” – What? Tuesday, Mar 6 2007
transhumanism 10:14 am

Update: I read the article, it’s mostly anti-immortality, but not in the severe way that you see from religionists. The quotes they picked from the interview I had with them were okay, and I think that they speak for themselves to an extent. Except they call me “obsessed” with halting death, and that is – how? A glance at this blog shows the wide range of interests I have. Like most journalists, McGowan fudges over the details of my particular case to pigeonhole me into the context of the article and the other “underdogs” she profiles. The article mentions cryonics.
Here are the two quotes of mine they included in the article:
“Death is just a technical problem”, he says. “People react strongly to the idea of living hundreds of years, but the body doesn’t care if we think it’s radical to perserve it.”
“Deviating from the mainstream by yourself is quite different than deviating from it with others who are successful, intelligent, insightful, and willing to discuss unpopular beliefs together.” says Anissimov.
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If you have a chance, pick up this month’s issue of Psychology Today – I’m in it. I haven’t read the article yet, but judging by the title, “The Boy Who Wants to Live Forever… and Other Champions of the Lost Cause”, it doesn’t look good, hahaha! Oh well. Science has never been the strong suit of the touchy-feely therapist branches of psychology, around which this magazine seems to revolve.
Is living forever a lost cause? No. Biological tissue works according to the same physical principles as any machine, and is subject to analysis and fine-grained repair just like any other system. Some people view radical life extension as impossible because to equate the human body with a repairable machine is seen as blasphemy.
In related news, one of the most popular economist bloggers on the net, Arnold Kling, writes:
“I tell my high school students now that I think there is a good chance that they will be immortal.”
James D. Miller, an associate professor of economics at Smith College, also writes:
“I have told my college students the same thing, and will even be discussing this possibility in my upcoming intro micro textbook.
Obviously, immortality would change the world beyond measure. But long before we achieve immortality people will realize that immortality will someday be within our grasp. This expectation alone will radically alter human society.”
David Friedman, outstanding economist and son of late Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman, has a quote from an article on Aubrey de Grey on his home page.
What is it about economists that makes them sufficiently rational to accept the prospect of radical life extension, but psychology journalists, not so much?
The title of the Psychology Today article tries to connect my youth with idealism surrounding life extension. But for almost every radical-sounding idea that comes out of my mouth, I can point you to someone twice, or even three times my age who strongly holds the same idea. And going on 23, I’m not exactly a “boy” either. Argh!
You want to see a lost cause? How about most psychology and psychotherapy? Quote from the linked page:
Dawes (social and decision sciences, Carnegie Mellon Univ.) presents a strong argument, based on empirical research, that psychotherapy is largely a shill game. He argues that while studies have shown that empathetic therapy is often helpful to people in emotional distress, there is no evidence that licensed psychologists or psychiatrists are any better at performing therapy than minimally trained laypeople. Nor are psychologists or psychiatrists any better at predicting future behavior than the average person–a disturbing conclusion when one contemplates the influence such “experts” have on the U.S. judicial system. While other books have criticized the psychologizing of our society, none has been so sweeping or so convincingly argued. This book raises such important societal issues that all academic and public libraries have a duty to make a permanent place for it on their shelves.
- Mary Ann Hughes, Neill P.L., Pullman, Wash.
Looks like I win.




Awesome – congratulations, Michael. Despite your suspicions about the article I’m sure many readers will see beyond the pop-psych spin.
Okay, the article starts off with a paragraph-long analogy/metaphor, and then:
“Like what you see? Subscribe to Psychology Today to read more!”
Yes, Tom, it’s a print magazine. Not everything you want to read is immediately available over the Internet. And yes, obviously they want to get you intrigued and have you subscribe. Is there anything unusual in any of this?
George, thanks! I don’t know if the readers will really care about me or immortality one way or another, but any exposure is good exposure.
“Is there anything unusual in any of this?”
No, but it’s still irking. I usuallly read several dozen Web articles a day; if I had to “subscribe” or “purchase” them I would have long since gone broke. It’s not even so much that they charge for it (bandwidth, reporters and such aren’t free), but that the articles are wildly overpriced. It costs less than a penny to distribute a few kB of text over the Internet, and usually these magazines ask for several dollars or more (yes, I know that they have capital costs in writing the article, but saying they need to have a %50000 markup to cover capital costs is simply insane). And on top of it, they have large banner ads on their website, and those alone should cover a large portion of their expenses; Google still seems to be doing fine with ads as their primary source of revenue.
On Engineering Longevity…
They’re talking about engineering longevity in the present issue of The Scientist. It is promising to see more talk of such in the scientific community, even if it is more the Longevity Dividend and not at all SENS. More discussion means growing suppo…
Robert Anton Wilson in the 1970′s referenced scientists active back then who predicted that radical life extension would happen by now (“by the year 2000″ and other words to that effect):
Ten Good Reasons to Get Out of Bed in the Morning
http://www.vanessaslist.com/?p=43
Next Stop: Immortality
http://www.futurehi.net/docs/RAW_Immortality.html
Wilson, who expected in the late 1970′s that he would benefit from actuarial escape velocity himself, died pretty much on schedule back in January. Anyone who has lived through a couple cycles of forecasts about imminent “immortality,” as I have, will learn to hold these predictions in deep suspicion. Even Eliezer Yudkowsky says that we sometimes should rationally “lose hope” when we can’t make progress towards difficult goals.
“David Friedman, outstanding economist and son of late Nobel Laureate David Friedman,”
er… that wouldn’t be Milton Friedman, would it? Typo?
@Nato Welch:
No, his name really is David Friedman – Milton’s son.
@Michael: The one paragraph you can see on the net starts with Jewish settlers who consciously refused to acknowledge that the Israeli government was going to remove them from their land.
a) that really doesn’t bode well for the rest of the article
b) I am sure the author thought long and hard before finding a metaphor with just the right touch of totally irrelevant geopolitical context in it… what utter drivel
Florian: I erroneously both called them David, initially.
And about the article… any publicity is good publicity! I guess.
Why are you troubled by being called obsessed? If your goal is exciting, valuable, and achievable, obsession is a completely appropriate response. In fact, for sufficiently exciting and valuable goals, obsession is arguably the *only* appropriate response.
Why would physical immortality be incompatible with traditional religions? Even an immortal lifespan is a mere aleph-null years and there are much larger cardinalities.
“Even an immortal lifespan is a mere aleph-null years and there are much larger cardinalities.”
You would have a bit of difficulty living aleph-1 years, as the “time” factor in every equation governing physics would go to zero and both QED and GR would barf.
Would Ageless People be Libertarian?…
The point is raised by a commenter on Futurepundit. curing aging will not make us immortal in the true sense……
Do not praise yourself going into battle; praise yourself coming out of battle,
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