Why is AI Dangerous? Thursday, Apr 26 2007
AI and singularity 12:50 pm
To put it in a single sentence, I’d say that it’s because only a minority of cognitively possible goal sets place a high priority on the continued survival of human beings and the structures we value.
Another reason is that we can’t specify what we value in enough mathematical detail to transfer it to a new species without a lot of requisite hassle.
It would be easy if we could just transfer over the goal set of a “typical human” or a “nice person” and hope for the best. But there’s a problem: we have no experimental evidence of what happens when a human being can modify its own goals, or increase its own intelligence and/or physical power exponentially.
What little evidence we have of scenarios where people acquire a lot of power in a short amount of time indicates that the outcomes are usually not pretty. In fact, we have complicated democratic mechanisms built into our society to guard against these types of outcomes.
Most AI designers are missing the challenge because no one wants to have to take the responsibility of creating the first truly intelligent being. They just want to play with their program. The idea of taking any responsibility for the products of one’s research is a relatively recent notion, one that only holds weight with a minority of scientists and engineers, even today. This is usually because scientists and engineers are embedded in a large institutional apparatus that places responsibility so far up the chain of command that the actual researchers are absolved of most, if not all responsibility.
Back to the original issue of goal sets. Here are some likely applications for the most advanced AI technologies in the next 10-20 years:
- Intelligence analysis and wargaming. (link)
- Law enforcement (link)
- Analyzing interstate politics (link)
- Finance, banking, & investing (link)
- Controlling combat robots (link)
- Automating work flows (link)
There are many others, but I put these on the top of the list because they have the most economic or political importance, and therefore will be getting the most research money.
As AI in these areas progresses, the systems will go from outputting decisions only when explicitly requested, to outputting decisions continually and automatically. When a human worker consults the machine for input, it will be more like dipping a cup into a stream and tapping into the preexisting flow of knowledge consolidation and decision-making, rather than flicking on a light switch or pressing “run” for a conventional computer program.
Being continuously thinking, continuously decision-making entities, these AI systems will have implicit top goals, whether people explicitly program them or not. The implicit top goal of a workflow automator will be to accelerate the completion of productive tasks. The implicit top goal of the finance bot will be to pick stocks that maximize return on investment. The implicit top goal of the combat robot AIs will be to take out or capture people specified by certain data files in its memory.
What makes AI potentially so dangerous is the lack of background common sense and humanness that we take for granted. When the clock hits 5, most workers put down their tasks and are done for the day. They go home and spend time with their family, watch TV or play games, or just relax. An artificial worker would have no such “background normality” unless we program it in. It’s on task, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, as long as its computer continues to suck power from the wall.
It’s that kind of monomaniacal devotion that puts humanity at risk from AI when it begins to step out of the lab and into the real world. An AI with implicit top goals will want to reinforce those goals and achieve them more effectively, where the “goals” are not the same as what you’d see in a human that was handed a piece of paper with those goals written on it, but as they are represented in the context of the AI’s decision structure and worldview.
Reasonableness and sensibility about goals are not easy to transfer over to a mind without the knowledge and common sense built into every neurologically normal human being. A blank slate intelligence sitting in the middle of a forest would be able to build models and make inferences about numerous aspects of its surroundings – that trees are tall, that animals are mobile but plants aren’t, that the weather changes in cycles. But inferences about “the right thing to do”? You can’t derive an ought from an is. Putting an AI in a social environment with humans or other AIs doesn’t help, because without some deep-seated motivation to care about this weird “morality” thing in the first place, an AI will just happily go about accomplishing the subtlety-devoid goals it was originally assigned. As it gains the ability to improve on its own intelligence or tap into the power of robotics, it will continue to get better and better at achieving those goals and harder and harder for humans to reach in and grant it the motivation to care about morality in the abstract.
If AIs in any of the applications I listed before gained the ability to improve upon themselves significantly, either mentally or physically, the implicit top goals they were given will be magnified many times over. There would be little reason for the AI to modify those goals unless such flexibility mechanisms were explicitly programmed in. When a human sees someone starving, they tend to feel sorry for them and at the very least wish they could help. When a human sees someone attacking a defenseless child, they tend to get angry. To your typical AI, a person starving or a child being attacked is only relevant in the context of the goals it already has – “how does this starving human affect stock prices?”, or “can this starving human give me information regarding the location of my next target?” are two inquiries that might come to mind.
Freedom, empathy, self-determination, consensus-building, conflict resolution, aesthetics, camaraderie and rapport – these values and inclinations are built in automatically for every human without serious brain defects. For an AI to share them, they have to be put in terms of lines of code and mathematical rigor. What programmer has the time to do all that work when general intelligence without the human-like morality will be significantly easier to achieve?
It’s that difficulty disparity between stripped-down general intelligence and morally-sophisticated general intelligence that makes AI so dangerous in the long term.

Talk about making a virtue of necessity.
This is really just an extended way of saying that advanced AIs/robots will not be identical to humans. Two separate species may have differing motivations and goals given the same set of circumstances.
To your typical human, a chimpanzee starving due to deforestation or a baby chimp being killed by poachers is only relevant in the context of the goals he or she already has – “how does this starving animal affect my standard of living?”.
I was thinking of the chimpanzee, dolphin or whatever animal being given some augmentation to achieve similar to human levels of intelligence. I don’t think the resulting being would resemble human motivations either. The difference between augmentation of an animal versus a robotic AI would be that there would be some subtext already present.
I’d read an article recently about a cultural study in the UK being planned or conducted on 60 independent robotic AI’s established in multiple “villages” to see how cultural evolution might work.
Michael, do you think that an AI created along the lines of Kurzweil’s human brain emulation might be trained such that it is in essence “human”? Of course this still doesn’t do anything with respect to the fact that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
No matter how hard I try, I find it difficult to get away from comparing prospective AGI’s to modern corporations. If you took every instance of “AI” in this article and replaced it with “corporation”, it would serve as a fairly accurate assessment of some of our current social problems. The difference seems to be one of tech-inspired degree.
It’s interesting to see the catch-22 that develops when putting this into the context of Yudkowsky’s CEV and the so-called race between “AI” synthetic minds (which might be faster to develop) and “IA” human brain emulation. CEV proposes to produce FAI ahead of uploading, but it seems that, attempting to produce a models of a sufficient number of existing humans at sufficient accuracy to get a sufficient grip on Friendliness, we’ll essentially have solved the uploading problem!
Does this make sense?
The comparison between AIs and corporations is one I hadn’t thought of before. You could view a corporation as just a large machine containing many human components (although like a termite in a hill any individual human may have little idea what the machine is doing overall). Corporations do have goals and try to maximize certain quantitative values, such as profit margins and shareholder dividends. In some cases the pursuit of these goals may have unfriendly consequences. Corporations are also becoming increasingly automated, and the ratio between human and machine labour within them is shifting.
A post from Michael about AI/FAI that I totally agree with!
Also agree with Nato’s point that uploading may need to come first or concurrently if we want to keep risks manageable.
An AI would not know the difference between reality and simulated reality. You can place an AI in a simulated environment of choice, tell it that it is real, and observe its actions over a test period. Throw it all the problems you anticipate and see how it reacts.
Different levels and models of AI would have different strengths and different constraints. Each model would have its own extensive history of testing that would come with the purchase.
The problem is actually what the end user chooses to do with it–how the user chooses to hack the AI for reasons of his own. If the AI’s constraints are removed by the end user, what can the designer do about it?
Hawkeye, I think a Kurzweil-style brain simulation could become generally intelligent with less detail than we see in an actual human brain, and so would therefore be a pseudo-human of some sort rather than a true human mind. Ensuring friendliness in that kind of mind would be a whole new challenge, different than either achieving friendliness in a full-resolution upload, an IA project, or an AI project. Just like full-resolution humans, it’d be too complex to analyze as well as an AI, so it would be harder to tell if it’s lying. There is also no incremental ramp-up so if it wireheads shortly after uploading then we’re all doomed immediately.
Nato, CEV doesn’t propose to put AI ahead of uploading. It was formed *in response* to the educated guess that general AI will be here before uploading. A self-improving AI could indeed create high-resolution models of people to flesh out its definition of friendliness, but that wouldn’t be the same thing as achieving uploading before AI. Friendly AI could lead to friendly uploads, or vice versa, but one has to come first, and (here’s the critical part) be implemented successfully by us dumb humans!
The difference between corporations and AI is definitely more than one of tech-inspired degree, but if the metaphor is really that helpful, you might as well use it. To me, it sounds like calling an orange a certain configuration of apples.
YES!
Maybe. It’s sort of hard to tell in advance. The main reason I focus on AI friendliness over upload friendliness is because I think AI is coming first. If my opinion on that were changed, my focus would change too.
Also, Nato didn’t really say that uploading may need to come first. He said that solving the Friendly AI problem would be uploading-complete.
I want to upload just as much as you do, but I also want a superintelligent mind without human biases to help me do it. I don’t want to upload cold turkey, and I don’t think anyone else should either. Whether the origin of the helper mind is from an incrementally self-modified IAed human or a Friendly AI is really immaterial to me.
In friendliness terms uploaded human brains may be even more volatile than AGIs with carefully engineered motivational systems. Most people are more or less friendly, but there are also plenty who aren’t. There doesn’t seem to me to be any way in which you could guarantee that a friendly person would not turn unfriendly subsequent to uploading (maybe they just become frustrated in their new computational medium).
Also, if multiple minds merge, so that you have uploaded mash-ups it seems even harder to say what the results of that would be. It does seem reasonable that multiple individuals may want to join forces into a single super expert mind.
I agree that AI will be possible before uploading is possible. However, the actual order of implementation depends on where resources are focused.
So assume we have only two ways to safely navigate the emergence of full blown AI – first is FAI and second is IA+uploading. Now, I don’t see how FAI research can be completed without rudimentary AI. So, it seems that the safest strategy is to put as much resources into exploratory FAI research and into uploading research. Then when you get to rudimentary AI you delay full blown AI until one safety approach bears fruit.
The “delay” part is certainly risky and potentially impossible…
The amount of resources put into each approach should be strongly influenced by the chances of each approach being successful in the time we have.
Bob,
You’d want to upload a group of people as separate individuals, and keep the self-enhancement project open-source.
A group can have the same checks and balances as any other human society.
* Michael Anissimov Says: “Another reason is that we can’t specify what we value in enough mathematical detail to transfer it to a new species without a lot of requisite hassle.” *
This, I believe, is the crux of the matter. I’ve been doing some reading around moral philosophy, and philosophers cannot even agree what kind of statement an ethical statement is – I believe that those who think that morality has a basis in fact are in the minority. The most popular opinion is that when you say “it is wrong to murder innocent people” your statement is more like “mushrooms taste great with peanut butter!” (an opinion which others may or may not share) than “pi = 3.142 to 3 decimal places” (a fact).
If this view is true, then it is bad news as far as we are concerned. If moral statements are simply random opinions about life with no particular reason for being the way they are, then they are extremely fragile. When things really get going with The Singularity and self improving AI, morailty as we know it will be finished.
However, I don’t think it works like this. I don’t think our sense of morality is arbitrary. The things that we hold most dear, like individual freedom, time for leisure, tolerance, and punishment/rehabilitation of criminals are, in my opinion, facets of a universally valid and mathematizable theory. I think that these principles, or ones similar to them, would arise in any society of individuals which achieves a certain level of technological sophistication and does not stagnate.
What we need to do is make this *mathematically precise*. We need a mathematical theory of morality – not just a database of current human morals, but a derivation of morality from a set of non-moral axioms about a society which wishes to have stability and innovation.
Roko, even if moral statements are just preferences, we should be able to formally specify our preferences and have an AI follow them. You could even specify “make peanut butter” formally, although you probably don’t want that to be the top-level goal. It would just be somewhat harder than if there’s a mathematically derivable objective morality. The general idea is here: http://www.singinst.org/upload/CEV.html
My own view of morality, FWIW: I think moral statements are preferences (what else could they possibly be?), but they’re more analogous to the preference not to be killed or tortured – preferences that have ‘semi-objective’ status in that any sane being will hold them – than purely arbitrary preferences like for food. This sounds similar to yours. However, there’s still enough of a subjective component in this that it might not be much help in creating a true formal objective morality.
I understand you’re trying, but this is just the Mind Projection Fallacy. Our morality is “valid” in the sense that it exists and exhibits convergence among different people, but there’s nothing “universal” about it.
Even if aspects of our morality emerge in all progressive technological societies, it doesn’t mean they’re “universal” or somehow Platonic forms in mathspace. There is no objective morality! And every time we pretend there is, we potentially put ourselves at danger by underestimating the likelihood an AI will converge towards that morality without us holding its hand every tiny step of the way.
You can’t “derive morality from non-moral axioms”. A goal set is something every intelligence needs, and it’s always arbitrary. The goal is to put OUR arbitrary morality into an AI so it’s on the same page as us. Just because we’re both on the same page doesn’t mean we’ve both zeroed in on some mystical universal objective morality.
Considering that an upload would be extremely computation-intensive, if you did successfully upload someone, you’d have *one* person, not a group with checks and balances. For numerous reasons, it seems safer to have a selfless AI cross the line first than a human being. Of course, if AI is significantly more difficult than uploading (but how could that be?), then you have to settle for an upload, but all else equal, shouldn’t the preference be for AI first?
Not to go ad hominem, but it seems that you might be slightly sentimental about the idea of uploading in general. I am too, but I want the safest route to get there. And I don’t think that uploading is the safest route to uploading, as confusing as that may sound. Human psychology is simply too failure-prone, and we’re too adapted to our non-virtual environments.
There are three main arguments for “AGI” as opposed to “uploading” being a preferential source of self-motivated supra-human intellect.
1) “Play-environments” would be far, far easier earlier on. This means that should something go haywire — which it likely either would very early on or else very, very late in the game as it were; my reasoning here has to do with the likely point-sources for “Friendliness failure” — using test environments would provide a greater buffer. In uploads, however, the test environment would have to be vastly more complex (due to pre-existing sensory experience).
2) “Test environments” Using lower-grade AGI’s in extremely stressing environments permits for screening out any of the “obvious errors” as well. In other words; by using an entirely virtual environment with 0% capacity for interaction with the physical world, it becomes at least *feasible* to use trial and error to get a grasp on what would qualify for Friendliness.
3) Replication. If you have twenty seed-AI’s, and only one goes “unFriendly”, then you have essentially reduced the probability of extermination of the race from 100% to 5% (extremely poor math, and I know it. It’s a demonstration of principle.)
With ‘uploads’ or BMI augments, this wouldn’t be anywhere near so feasible. Of course, with BMI augments you guarantee ramp-up; and can probably ensure, once you have the technique, something approaching a critical mass where unFriendliness just isn’t a threat anymore.
The key question here is: what is AI?
There should be a clear distinction between intelligence and tool. If a tool misbehaves it’s a broken tool. And when intelligence misbehaves it’s a conflict.
The danger of a tool: we already have one – the atomic bomb, which is far more dangerous, because we don’t know the level of morality of two men that control it.
So we shouldn’t be making broken tools in the first place. And when we are thinking of AI we shouldn’t think of it as of a tool at all. As if we make a tool we shall be doomed if it brakes.
We should make a person instead. Or preferably upload a person if we could. Animal psychology states that altruism developed in humans evolutionary because humans were weak animals and couldn’t survive alone thus needing help of other humans for survival. We should make someone (AI) which resembles us in a very close fashion and probably it’s undoable using such a dumb thing as Math. (Math is far too simple than human “image thinking”.) And educate it as we educate children developing a kind of image/shape/character/icon (don’t know how to emphasise enough in English) education language that we both could understand.
To be absolutely safe we have to make multiple AIs or a society of uploaded persons to self-balance as every society does forming ethics based on its needs.
Emilfaro
Michael Anissimov Says: “There is no objective morality! … … A goal set is something every intelligence needs, and it’s always arbitrary. The goal is to put OUR arbitrary morality into an AI ”
I don’t think this is the case, and I think that we have to be careful that we don’t commit an immoral act in our desire to make an AI that will do our bidding. Nick: Eliezer’s CEV worries me along these lines. To start with, I think that an intelligence does not have to have an immutable goal set. What’s your goal set? Have you always had that as your goal set? Personally I don’t have a ‘goal set’ which is fixed for all time; of course at the moment I am working towards a safe and beneficial singularity, but after that I don’t actually know what I’ll do. I might opt for a career in pure mathematics, I might fork my personality, I might engage in art. To put it more technically, our motivational system is not a top-down tree with the “one true top goal” at the root – it has bottom up aspects as well. We find new goals in life as we go through it trying to fulfil our existing goals.
Friendly AI research is making somewhat of a category error in thinking about making AIs with “top goals” that we will have to live with forever. The kind of cold, brutal AI that people worry about tiling the universe with smiley faces is based around this error, I think.
Another thing I dislike is confusing the idea of a *goal system* (top down or otherwise) with a *moral system*. Morality is a constraint on your goals, and it only has any relevance in a society of agents. I agree that you can design an agent with any set of “morals” you want, but some moral systems really are “Platonic forms in mathspace”. Why? Simple: a set of morals will determine the success or failure of any society which implements it. Freedoms and rights, justice and a fair legal system are not just random window dressings on a thriving society like the USA – they are the very essence of its success. Certain moral systems will therefore be preferred if you want a society with certain nice properties.
The relevance of this to the Friendly AI problem is clear. As Nick Tarleton correctly says, creating AI morality will be a lot easier if morality is objective or semi-objective. To put it another way, we’ll want to work out what makes our morality so good, and program the seed AI with this justification; it is key here that the AI we create should be a free agent who wants to help us, not a slave. What I don’t like is the idea of taking something like CEV and hard-coding the AI to have to follow it as a top goal – this is a digital slave, and slavery was abolished 200 years ago.
Of course the very daunting challenge is how to make all of this mathematically precise. This includes understanding the goal hierarchy; the upwards trickle of motivations as well as the downwards flow of goal and subgoal execution. How can one have a system of goals that create subgoals and subgoals that create goals which doesn’t go haywire? Releted to this is the question: “how can you have an AI system which alters it’s own code, including the code that governs code-altering, without doing it something horrendous?” I’ll sleep on it!
>Of course the very daunting challenge is how to
>make all of this mathematically precise. This
>includes understanding the goal hierarchy; the
>upwards trickle of motivations as well as the
>downwards flow of goal and subgoal execution. How
>can one have a system of goals that create
>subgoals and subgoals that create goals which
>doesn’t go haywire?
That’s what I’m saying: Math can’t do this.
How do you know!? Have you studied every mathematical definition possible and ruled them all out?
>How do you know!? Have you studied every
>mathematical definition possible and ruled them
>all out?
It is not necessary. The problem is due to the concept of Math as a language. And in particular due to the axioms. The classical question is: What is the dot? Brain can answer that and Math can’t.
You can read more on the brain/computer difference here: http://scienceblogs.com/developingintelligence/2007/03/why_the_brain_is_not_like_a_co.php
I’m not intending to flood so it’ll better be my last post here.
Hi Michael,
Congratulations for the blog.
I would like to invite you to write an article about the Future in Trendirama.com
Alternatively, we can publish your best article in Trendinews.com as a guest author, even if it was published somewhere else before.
Let me know what you think
I am also passionate about these subjects and think people should know more about it…
Best regards
Javier Marti, Founder
Javier,
Thanks for the invitation, but I prefer to keep my blog posts strictly to transhumanist websites and don’t want them spread too thin. (These articles are already mirrored at several locations.) Good luck with your project though.
Cheers,
Michael
Emilfaro Says: “What is the dot? Brain can answer that and Math can’t.”
well what is “the dot”? my brain is having trouble answering that one!
It looks to me like you’re making an objection based on some vague intuitions you have about the nature of the mind. That’s fine, but remember all you have is an intuition, not a proof. That’s all I have at the moment, so we’ll have to agree to disagee. :)
WHAT IS THE DOT? A question we should all be asking ourselves.
Michael says:
I don’t mind some ad-hominem to spice things up! I certainly have an emotional bias towards self-determination. However, I cultivate this bias, since I think freedom works and centralization/homogeneity doesn’t. It’s about how individuals have local information to optimize their own well-being – the standard libertarian thinking.
I feel that FAI thinking has its own emotional baggage, including the quest for perfection (idealism) and for moral certainty. I think there’s also a wish to create a caretaker and transfer control, possibly because of a distrust in humanity’s ability to work towards positive outcomes.
I do share some of these biases (except for transferring control)…
In the everyday context of human societies and whatnot, I totally agree with the importance of self-determination and decentralization. I agree with many of the standard libertarian arguments. However, I believe the Singularity is different.
A superintelligent AI actually could apply huge levels of intelligence to little things and aggregate them together into a big picture in a way human governments never could. A superintelligent AI would know you better than you know yourself. But first and foremost, I don’t believe there’ll be any *choice* about whether or not the first superintelligence is central and superior. It will be, no matter what, whether it’s an upload or an AI, because of the huge power afforded by superintelligence. Our plans have to work around this inevitability, so they are inherently centralized. A safe Singularity navigation scenario involving uploads would need to take into account the fact that the first person to cross the line could take over the world if he or she wanted. Simultaneous uploading is not likely to help because even a millisecond advantage could mean everything, and initial intelligence differences would give rise to huge intelligence differences if it were a race among uploads for self-enhancement.
I understand your charges against FAI thinking, and of course would like to rebut. :) Rather than FAI being based on moral certainty, it is actual moral *uncertainty* that motivates me to support the idea. Because, it seems, there is no such thing as an objective morality, we should not expect one to pop up by default in an AI, and thus have to explicitly program something in. We should not assume that a human being, even if he or she seems nice at the time, won’t go totally insane if uploaded. We must acknowledge that Darwinian beings are fundamentally selfish (see “The Lucifer Principle”), therefore it would be to our advantage to have a non-Darwinian being be the first to Cross the Line.
A caretaker is inevitable. Someone must be the first superintelligence. If we survive the Singularity, it will be because the first superintelligence decided to let us live. If the first superintelligence supports other beings that want to also become superintelligences, then it will no longer be a caretaker, but it’ll be because it made that decision to help others along initially.
FAI is a way of keeping control to humanity as a whole and not transferring it to any one person or small group, as would be necessary in the upload/IA scenario. FAI forces the Singularity to unfold in a way that takes into account the wishes of all humanity. (See CEV.)
As far as I understand, you see the one-winner-take-all (1WTA) outcome as a certainty in both AGI and uploading scenarios. Given that assumption, I can see how FAI would be the focus, as the only way to create a safe path.
However, I don’t really see how the uploading scenario leads to 1WTA. First of all, the improvement slope might be fast compared to today, but it’s very likely to still be slow enough on the scale of human interaction.
Right now we have a 1 year doubling of compute power.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument that the doubling period is down to 1 month at the point in time uploading is 1:1 with brain capacity. 6 months after that, the original individual is only as powerful as 64 people. 6 months is plenty of time to react. If you have the technology as open-source or even held by a diverse group of 1000 individuals, there will be dozens, then hundreds of people uploading and keeping up as the slope is being climbed. The 64-time-faster person ahead is no match for the influx of people.
So I basically don’t see how one person can open up an insurmountable lead when there’s plenty of people willing to jump in and keep up.
If we become pretty sure that self-modifying AGI comes before uploading, then I fully agree that safe AI/FAI is key. However, I’m pretty far from agreeing that self-modifying AGI does come first with high probability. Until that’s settled, I think both scenarios should be taken seriously.
For now I’d love to focus on how AGI vs. uploading timeline is likely to play out and whether the uploading scenario can be made safe from 1WTA.
Some good points there MC!
My problem with IA technology is that the first people to get it would almost certainly be the government and the military. I really cannot see any other scenario.
Do you have any idea how ordinary, good citizens would be able to upload first?
Worse still, there’s a big pressure for people who have some IA to try every trick in the book to get more, and to kill those people who are close to them or better in intelligence. The only plausible outcome I can see is that one particularly ruthless person somes out on top as supreme world dictator.
Can you think of any ways around this?
I’ve just had an idea whilst eating some toast: IA could be made safe if you had some robust way of detecting someone’s motivations, like a perfect lie-detector. People would regularly be asked if they were plotting something naughty, and if they were then their IA would be removed.
Unfortunately, polygraphs don’t work. And I doubt we’ll be able to create a real lie detector before IA technology becomes available, although it would certainly be a nice thing to have.
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