Taking Global Risk and WWIII Seriously Tuesday, Feb 26 2008
risks 4:58 pm
I have realized that the best way for people around the world to take catastrophic global risk seriously would be to stage a localized demonstration of a very powerful post-nuclear weapon. Other methods are of course worth pursuing (and far less expensive), but too abstract. The weapon would be tested in an entirely unpopulated area, of course. The Sahara and areas of northeast Siberia would be two good targets.
In this context, “post-nuclear” means a weapon with more destructive power than a nuclear weapon, in terms of destruction of ground targets. Matching the energy output of a nuclear weapon might be difficult without using nuclear energy as the source, however. (Yet, a large orbital mirror could exceed the power output of nuclear weapons.)
In Missouri, they have a saying: “show me”. Unless leaders and citizens alike are shown the power of the next generation of destructive technology, it will continue to be “science fiction” to the vast majority of people. After a test, it becomes real overnight, even if thousands of scientists already knew it was possible decades in advance and were constantly trying to warn everyone about it, but were ignored.
The Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) is making some serious progress against the risk of nuclear terorrism, by inviting high-profile arms control wonks with influence in the US government, for instance, Dr. Jefferey Lewis, to international conferences on non-proliferation. Arguing against the risk of nuclear bombs is more plausible because we’ve seen them in action. Arguing against the risk of militarized synthetic life is not, even though the destructive potential of synthetic life is many times greater than any nuke.
Speaking of nukes, the threat of nuclear winter is still real. The science is solid. A 2007 study found that a war involving the entire nuclear arsenal would result in:
A global average surface cooling of –7°C to –8°C persists for years, and after a decade the cooling is still –4°C (Fig. 2). Considering that the global average cooling at the depth of the last ice age 18,000 yr ago was about –5°C, this would be a climate change unprecedented in speed and amplitude in the history of the human race. The temperature changes are largest over land … Cooling of more than –20°C occurs over large areas of North America and of more than –30°C over much of Eurasia, including all agricultural regions.
A cooling of –7 °C to -8 °C means a cooling of about 12 °F to 14 °F globally. The continental interiors, lacking the thermal moderating effects of the oceans, would experience a –20 °C to –30 °C (36 °F to 54 °F) temperature drop. Basically, the United States and most of Europe get covered in permafrost for a few years. For more on a mini-version of this, see Year Without a Summer.
Meanwhile, Putin is saying there is a new arms race triggered by US imperialism, China is building up their military at a mind-boggling rate, and presidential candidate John McCain has said about Putin, “I looked into his eyes and saw three letters K-G-B.” This simplistic, dismissive rhetoric won’t help instill democracy in Russia, or anywhere else. It will do little beyond ignite a Third World War. Words matter.
Iran’s leader wants to exterminate Israel. Israel is strong allies with NATO. Iran is allies with much of the Muslim world, China, and Russia. Russian generals have harshly warned the US not to attack Iran. But Iran may be building nuclear bombs to use against Israel. What do we do?
Israel + USA + UK vs. Iran + Russia + Syria. Could it happen? Yes, today or tomorrow. One Israeli airstrike on Iran nuclear facilities is all it would take. Occasionally I look at CNN and half-expect to see it beginning.
Should we be happy that there’s a potential of war today, when our greatest weapon is the nuclear bomb, instead of tomorrow, when we have weapons that self-replicate and consume nations? You tell me.

February 26th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Our ability to disrupt progress of humanitarian technologies with war and saber-rattling never ceases to amaze me.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
While I do believe the world does not take the risk of global conflict to the degree with which it should be treated the idea that setting of any nuclear weapon is a terrible idea worthy of a true tyrant. This you are not. And who is to say that the Sahara will not be one day irrigated with a global effort, Or that with the continuing evolution of technology those unpopulated areas will be able to sustain a whole population of ever increasing number. I believe as a trans-humanist no idea is too ludicrous. And the setting off of a nuclear bomb would causes effects that would affect the entire globe whether it was set off in an unpopulated area or not. Some have made the suggestion that the setting off of nuclear weapons by the USSR and the U.S. have stunted the intellectual potential of the entire globe. I believe that all nuclear arms should be in a global effort sent of into space. This would accomplish two things.
1. It would literally put the entire globe onto nearly the same level of arms.
2. If there are other forms of life out in the cosmos they would definitely pay us a visit if we destroyed their home planet and that would mean more residents for planet earth.
3. The best one of these would correlate to #2 would be that those other forms of life if able to reach planet earth would bring with them in their exodus from their home technologies that would make us all drool!
So I say send the bombs of into space and your goal could be achieved because we would not have a global war but the first interstellar war should other forms of life ever come into contact with our big ones! Now hows that for good conversation!
February 26th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
“and presidential candidate John McCain has said about Putin, “I looked into his eyes and saw three letters K-G-B.””
For the record, if McCain is elected president, I foresee a strong likelihood that in ten years I will be smuggling Molotov cocktails and shotguns to the Resistance.
“Basically, the United States and most of Europe get covered in permafrost for a few years.”
Computer modeling (http://discovermagazine.com/2002/nov/featcircles) shows that the Earth would still be habitable by humans and most other species, even if it had a wildly elliptical orbit that went in close to Mercury and out past Mars.
“And the setting off of a nuclear bomb would causes effects that would affect the entire globe whether it was set off in an unpopulated area or not.”
More than 1,300 nuclear tests have been done to date, a large number above ground. Engineering with nuclear bombs has already been tried in the USSR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_nuclear_explosions), with decidedly non-catastrophic results.
“1. It would literally put the entire globe onto nearly the same level of arms.”
Except for the larger-than-the-rest-of-the-world-combined military budget of the US.
“2. If there are other forms of life out in the cosmos they would definitely pay us a visit if we destroyed their home planet and that would mean more residents for planet earth.”
Huh? This doesn’t seem to make any sense.
Michael: As an alternative, what about a self-improving computer virus (non-GI), to show the dangers of recursive self-improvement?
February 26th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Theodore,
As beautiful as the idea of no nuclear weapons sounds, it will unfortunately remain an idea forever. We cannot simply send all nukes into space because there is no guarantee our neighbour didn’t keep one, so we’d have to keep one just to be safe… and you see how it goes. So realistically, we are stuck with nukes.
About the article, I’m not convinced that we are going to blow ourselves to smithereens. As sad is it may be, nuclear weaponry is the greatest deterrent our world has ever seen. Even tyrants don’t want to see their empire obliterated by weapons they are powerless to stop. It would be illogical for the power-hungry to employ nuclear weaponry as the resulting war would result in them having no suitable territory to rule over. So, again realistically, nukes are kinda keeping us safe.
I’m not writing this to advocate the nuclear bomb as its an ethical black hole, however, I am writing to say that being stuck with them may not be such a bad fate.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Wow completely validate arguments. Well I wonder. How many of you believe in the theory of evolution as it has happened to us here on earth. If we are to believe that all life on earth has evolved from simple organisms that happened to appear on this planet. Well then I ask anyone if they know the exact measurement that we have made as to if what happened here could happen on another planet or it is happening right now on another planet. I doubt that aliens if there are any would be too preoccupied with searching around this universe if they had been to earth before which I do not think is real. And if we did ever send all of the big ones even the nonnuclear ones would not only cause the entire planet animals plants and people alike to give a sigh of relief and perhaps a new responsible arms race would spur the global economy. And if any of you will be able to point this out. It will not be a total arms race. As I believe the economy would spur and this would increase the worlds concentration growing food and becoming more self reliant this would be caused by an individuals overall feeling of safety a gift that could be experienced throughout the globe. A real day of peace on earth. But will it we may never know. that is quite solemn to me. But if history has taught us anything it is that good prevails evil. Just as the Sun always overcomes the darkness of night. And without both we could not survive. The real problem with the “Human Experience”?
February 27th, 2008 at 2:49 am
“A global average surface cooling of –7°C to –8°C persists for years, and after a decade the cooling is still –4°C (Fig. 2).”
Hmm. This implies that, if global warming really does get serious, we can counteract that by detonating a sufficient amount of nukes.
I’d like to see the faces of some extreme Greens if somebody, in all seriousness, actually made *that* proposal…
February 27th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Actually, that’s not too far off.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Never mind all that! Did you hear that Britney Spears is preggo again? Pul-eeeeze!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
lol randy.
Clearly Britney Spears is a tool of the vast government conspiracy meant to distract the media from world events.
And she would have only understood 5 words in that sentence.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Perhaps it is better the majority of people doesn’t know what terrors of war future technology can bring. Certainly leaders should know in order to ensure a cold war mentality of non-engagement, but it seems to me that widespread understanding amongst the masses would lead only to fear and quite possibly nationalism, two things I personally think we should aim to minimize as technology becomes more deadly.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:17 am
Yes, very true. Very important. We cannot forget that a full exchange nuclear war is still a real possibility and would be many orders of magnitude more disasterous than even terrorism. And yes, nanotech or biowarfare could be as bad and worse.
The nuclear threats are a set of dominos. If you resolve the Iran, North Korea problems then you could America could put away it’s missile defence and make a deal with Russia easier. If you resolve the Taiwan problem then you could get a grand bargain between NATO, Russia, & China. This would then logically lead to denuclearization of the lesser nuclear powers provided you give Israel NATO protection. These four problems are doable if the powers that be unite by first cracking down on Iran & North Korea.
As for nanotech and biotech I like your idea of a demonstration. Someone needs to openly commit themselves to developing a contained nanotech and biotech existential risk to demonstrate that it is real and needs to be dealt with.