Attack vs. Defense Monday, Jan 5 2009
policy 7:18 am
In futurist circles and think tanks, sometimes the question comes up, “in the long run, which will be more effective, offense or defense?” The answer to this question has serious implications for which direction we should move in as a civilization — if defense is easier, then many autonomous, independent, largely unaccountable communities might be possible, but if offense is easier, then there may need to be a global police force to put down rogue states before they start invading their neighbors. A more acceptable version of a global police force would be an impartial singleton.
The first, and obvious point, is that this question is entirely technical, a matter of military and physical reality, unconnected to political or ideological beliefs. Political beliefs should flow from the technical assessment, not influence it. So, if it turns out that offense is easier, those that strongly support the existence of many autonomous unaccountable geopolitical units will be forced, whether they like it or not, to adjust their beliefs slightly to the other end of the spectrum, depending on how much better offense is than defense. Conversely, if defense is easier, police state globalists would be forced to acknowledge that their policing might not be as necessary as they want it to be.
In Atlantis, or some other imaginary ideal society, people look at the facts first, and formulate political beliefs later. All political beliefs are based on bedrocks of implicit facts, and if these facts turn out to be incorrect, the beliefs must be changed. One can imagine hypothetical sets of facts that arbitrarily force a reasonable person to adopt seemingly extreme beliefs.
Back to the attack vs. defense question. Looking at just the technology, it appears to me that attack is stronger than defense. Ballistic missiles have tremendous mass and momentum, and no proven technology would be capable of intercepting most of the thousands of missiles that could be launched by Russia or the United States. Submarines, which some have argued would deter nuclear war by offering second strikes, in fact exacerbate the risk by allowing first strikes due to their close proximity to a target country. The surprise benefit of submarine-launched ballistic missiles would lead them naturally to be launched first in a nuclear war, not last. This is already common knowledge among military planners.
What about the future? It seems as if attack technology will become better than it already is, if anything. Superior materials will allow ballistic missile submarines that can dive even deeper and become even more difficult to locate and destroy. (In the niche of submarines, it seems like defense might actually be better! Too bad it would be impractical to move all our cities and farms into stealthy underwater subs.) If effective interceptors can be developed to block conventional ballistic missile technologies, then missiles will simply evolve to overwhelm the interceptors, as they always have. Even today, it is cheaper to launch many dummy missiles than develop the technology to detect and dispatch all genuine missiles before they reach their targets.
The heat and pressure generated by nuclear bombs is tremendous, a consequence of the unfamiliar power locked in nuclear bonds relative to chemical bonds. In the very long run, avoiding the danger of nuclear bombs may become possible by using utility fog to throw up massive shields — but far more material is required to build an effective blast shield for an entire city than the material necessary to construct a nuclear bomb. Such materials might also be quickly penetrated by forerunner missiles, only to be followed by a primary salvo seconds later. In an arms race between weapons and shields, weapons are frequently, if not always, likely to win.
Considering weapons aside from just nuclear bombs, within a couple decades it will be possible to construct tiny, possibly even microscopic machines that can deliver fatal doses of toxin to human targets or sabotage sensitive electronic equipment with the most innocuous of payloads. Such machines could be distributed across enemy territory days or even weeks in advance, spreading as slowly and at as low a density as necessary to avoid tripping detection equipment. With such technology, even a small ruthless country with a large military, such as North Korea, might be able to take out a so-called juggernaut such as the United States. Unless we have abundant nanomachines flowing through our veins and crawling over our skin, analyzing every particle for the presence of a few nanograms of lethal toxin, the microbot approach to total war will prove highly effective.
To challenge those who disagree with me, I ask how a defense measure that costs equal to or less than nuclear missiles might be developed, or how a defense program against lethal microbots might be established that allows the citizenry of a country to go about their daily business. Frequently, it seems that an effective defensive technology is 20-30 years more advanced than an effective offensive technology. Since there are many dozens of nations around the world within 20-30 years of parity with each other in terms of technology, the future of war seems to place a large incentive on making first strikes. Avoiding rapidly escalating lethal wars seems to be either dependent on a major technology differential (like Israel vs. Hamas), or the inherent universal benevolence of political leaders. Unfortunately, voters tend select leaders that think of their own country first, and the world community afterward.
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January 5th, 2009 at 10:08 am
The resolution to your question is simple. In the question of nuclear arms, an effective radiological weapon gives off a uniquely detectable signature — and detection technology is getting cheaper and cheaper. Simultaneously, interception is getting more and more sophisticated. Imagine a network of orbital platforms that search for the presence of concentrated, unregistered nuclear materials and eliminate them through means of other, similarly orbital laser weapons. (A similar threat, certainly, but it certainly mitigates the nuclear problem with its pinpoint efficacy).
To the question of toxic nanites… use the approach biology offers, and provide an evolutionary self-sustaining micro-bot network which would then operate along the lines of an immune system or if you prefer something more “technological”, an anti-virus program. Provide them for cities and for individuals. Or even for nations. Let them compete with one another, providing for a sufficiently varied array of protocols that no one single actor can ever break the totality of the defenses. A few may die from time to time from a dedicated “black hat” terrorist — but never enough to qualify as an existential threat under any foreseeable situations.
Combine both approaches with a swift and retributive agency(/ies) and there is sufficient defense & deterrent to relegate such actions to a minor concern. After all — rogue nukes have been available to terrorists for going on fifty years. They’ve never once been used. There’s a reason for this.
Also, where are you getting the idea that defensive technologies exist 20-30 years before offensive? That’s something I’ve never seen before. It certainly doesn’t jive with my knowledge of human history.
January 5th, 2009 at 10:13 am
By defense technologies, I mean that 99% effective defense technologies seem to be at least 20-30 years more advanced than the offense tech. For instance, your orbital platform idea is at least 20-30 years more sophisticated than launching nukes. I said “20-30 years ahead”, by ahead I meant more advanced, I changed the wording to make that more clear.
You successfully came up with solutions, but they’re quite a bit more advanced and expensive than the attack method.
Do you have a citation for the claim that rogue nukes have been available for fifty years?
January 5th, 2009 at 11:19 am
I’m not so sure of that. I mean, the satellite detection equipment already exists — it simply isn’t sufficiently sophisticated for instantaneous response; but ground response can cover that. Radiological detection equipment has been around for a rather long time as well — longer than the nuke — and while it would be far more expensive to implement such a system, the only reason we haven’t is that there has been no perceived need… because it’s never been used.
The clarification makes mucho mas more sense, by the by. :)
As to citation on the availability of “rogue nukes”: This link (http://www.cfr.org/publication/9549/ ) makes it clear that the USSR never had tight security on their nuclear weapons program, and that “dirty bomb” materials has made it into the black market on several occasions since 1993. What is /not/ discussed there is the fact that the USSR never kept an accurate tally of how many weapons they made. The number of point-failure sources in the supply chain and storage chain for their arsenal was too numerous to count. (This is widely available stuff for those who dig into it.)
So while there’s no way to confirm that an actual “nuke” has been available or not — there is absolutely no reason to believe it hasn’t been, given the fact that /some/ are known to have “gone missing” ( This link only touches on 2002 — but it states that 200 Soviet-era nukes ‘went missing’: http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/17/155150.shtml ). It would have been trivial for illicit actors to acquire such weapons in a nearly traceless manner. And it has been confirmed that ‘dirty bombs’ have been so acquired. Yet they have also never been /used/.
Accuracy — the bane of a brief statement! :)
January 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
This line of reasoning implies some interesting things about advanced civilizations, either already existing or our own future.
1) EITHER any advanced civilization probably has not increased in destructive capacity faster than defensive capacity OR any advanced civilization probably is more benevolent than us OR we probably will go extinct before becoming an advanced civilization [assumption]
2) any advanced civilization probably has increased in destructive capacity faster than defensive capacity [assumption]
3) EITHER any advanced civilization probably is more benevolent than us OR we probably will go extinct before becoming an advanced civilization [from 1 and 2]
January 5th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Lincoln — given that humanism, ecological concerns, and conservationism seem linearly attached to economic prosperity; and that further economic prosperity seems tied rather strongly in an “effect of the cause” relationship with technological development, it seems rather safe to assume that any advanced civilization which is comprised of biologically evolved sentiences — or derived immediately from one — is quite likely to be more benevolent than our own, as it will also be more economically prosperous.
Consider, for example, how we feel about modern aborigines, and the like. When you finally consider that we occupy absolutely no resources which would be vital to anything other than a universe-consuming ‘collective’, we have less to offer than the effort required to get to us. If you as a post-script throw in some hypothesizing about advanced civilizations exploring/colonizing multiple membranes (which has the additional incentive of providing for the indefinite survival of the civilization in question)(membranes a la M-Theory) then the resources required for robust exploration of /this/ universe become exponentially less viable economically speaking.
In short: it may very well be that they’re all too greedy to bother with us.
January 5th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I believe that offence will be stronger than defense as we get better technology. But defense could get some upper hand as something is made that goes beyond the limits of physics to wipe out (light speed, getting control of all local physical resources such that any resources of an attacker coming at you are less. Manipulating casimir forces to tap zero point energy. Deconstructing stars to get matter set up for suitable defensive position etc…) It is not clear how the any fundamental limits of advanced civilization physics would play out balance of power wise. the speed of light limit would seem to tend to go to defense. But super-tech civ would have to be sure that all loop-holes were covered. In my article on future weapons (at Lifeboat foundation), I discuss the idea that future tech lets you get up past orbit and move around space easily. Thus you can move large asteroids and rocks around and make them hard to see. Their destructive force is more than nuclear weapons and tougher to counter. That being said there are ways to make defence a lot better. Beyond that it might not be that hard to say hit the sun with a extremely powerful gamma ray laser and cause it to Nova. Part of advanced defense could be hiding away from solar camp-fires. Don’t need to be around the star if you have as good or better portable fusion or something more advanced.
1. Build better
2. Make it easy and fast to bug out at the first detection of trouble (tougher to get moving targets)
3. Spread out (in space, let speed of light limitations make it tougher to get you.
4. Eventually hide/keep a low profile
5. Have more that could be destroyed without losing your civilization
With super-tech power supplies and nanotech construction, the beings of even pre-2100 could prevent being killed off all in one powerful stroke and with communication would be able to get messages of an initiated attack to get into full defensive posture and launch counter-strikes.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Humans are very fragile, and therefore attacks against humans are cheaper than defending them. This is going to get worse with microbot and nanobot attack vectors.
However, uploading will change the picture radically. An uploaded being can be backed up with wide-area redundancy. Also, computer hardware is much easier to defend, assuming a modest level of power consumption.
This is one reason I am hoping that uploading will come before offense gets much stronger.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:56 am
I’m afraid your first (”and obvious”) point is mistaken. There are some purely technical questions you could pose, but this one is much too broad.
First off, introducing assault rifles into a politically primitive society does not have the same effect as introducing them into a politically sophisticated one, and the same context-dependence should be expected of any military and/or security innovations that will be developed in the future. Especially in the Internet Age, which opens up whole new realms of possibility for political organization that have not previously been remotely feasible.
Secondly, which technologies will be developed over time, in which order and by which groups, is greatly affected not only by regulatory and government funding choices, but also by broader cultural factors: what is viewed as “cool”, and what is not; what is orthodoxy, and what is not; what is widely feared, and what is not. Just look at the impact of 9/11, to see how true this is.
Qualifying your assertion with “in the long run” is not sufficient to eliminate these cultural factors, because developments are not linear. Small differences in initial conditions may lead to wildly divergent “long run” outcomes.
The upshot is that you really can’t ignore the role of politics and culture, no matter how much simpler it would be if you could.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Side note that I realized just now I’ve been leaving out of this discussion. The cost of defense isn’t measured against the cost of attack, but rather the cost of losses incurred by a (series of) successful attack(s). Defensive strategies will always be more costly than offensive ones — they have to be comprehensive whereas attack strategies can be insular. We as a race have never before had to set up a defensive strategy against an existential threat. However, if an asteroid were to take out a city, I guarantee you that within ten years the world would be ringed with enough firepower to light up the sky continuously for years. It’s just the way we work.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
I thought about these issues when I was a teenager and the cold war was still chilly. It seemed to me that the escalation in sophistication and destructiveness of military hardware would inevitably lead to the end of the human species, and possibly all life on earth - the pale blue dot. Realistically there appeared to be no way to stop this, because the force driving the aggressive behavior was human nature itself.
Watch a male chimp indulge in an aggressive display in which he wields a stick and you can see in prototypical form the combination of bravado and irrational destructive emotion submerged beneath the thin veneer of human civilization. Keep amplifying the destructive power of the stick whilst maintaining the primitive desires of the ape, until a display of rage means eliminating a country, a continent, or the entire planet.
Unless this aspect of humans can either be engineered out, or controlled in other ways, eventual extinction seems likely. Ultimately the military trajectory which we have been on for the last 5000 years is not sustainable.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:34 am
All this is a very compelling argument to develop ever more advanced technology, especially in making he human body more resilient. Terrorsm kills weak bodies- even a modest reinforcement of the human body will make significant difference in surviving attacks. Nobody will survive a direct hit - but someonewith nanomeds will be in the few % that survive outside the target zones.
January 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
“in the long run, which will be more effective, offense or defense?”
If that’s an accurate statement, they’re trying to solve the wrong problem.
First, you have to accurately identify the problem that you want/need to solve.
Second, spend some time with people who are educated, trained and experienced in matters of military offense and defense. (strategy and tactics.) Then come back and address the question about which problem actually needs to be solved.
Asking questions is important. Learning to ask the right questions is even better.
With your background(s), perhaps you should contact a university Chair who has some knowledge of military history and see what they have to offer. Then, come back to the problem, check your premises, and see what happens from there?
January 10th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Warren — you do understand this wasn’t a military question, right? :)
January 18th, 2009 at 8:39 am
It doesn’t even seem to be a question of attack vs defence.
The sort of rogue elements which cause trouble - historicaly, today and one assumed in the future - are not military aggressors, but low-scale terrorists or insurrectionists. Without the systems of funding provided by a government, these people will never be able to detonate anything more than a dirty bomb.
This being the case, it doesn’t seem relevant to discuss the attack and defence powers of advanced military forces, let alone a hypothesised relative power of “attack vs defence”.