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January 23rd, 2009 - 09:45
It would need more of a shimmer around the edges. The only way Mars can support an atmosphere which supports human life is if we induced an artificial EM field around it.
January 23rd, 2009 - 13:02
Was just considering posting this.
January 23rd, 2009 - 13:04
and this also.
January 23rd, 2009 - 15:45
A great link here too
January 24th, 2009 - 16:08
Ian, it seems like it might be cheaper to genetically engineer humans to deal with cosmic rays better, if that is possible. Do you know of any books or web pages that describe your induced EM field idea? I’ve heard of it before, but it sounds so expensive and difficult to pull off.
January 24th, 2009 - 17:30
This is all a bit old school, isn’t it? Terraformed planets?
We all know that it’d be easier to build a Dyson Sphere and create simulated planets.
Perhaps you think that there is a sentimental reason to leave Mars and Venus and terraform them in real space?
January 24th, 2009 - 17:32
Which reminds me of a problem with h+: any image or story of the future that is conceptually simple for us to understand simply doesn’t do the possibilities justice…
It’s hard to post a picture of what people would get up to in the many simulated realities that would exist on a Dyson sphere.
January 24th, 2009 - 18:02
Roko, it’s just something interesting. Perhaps we’ll choose to make “terraformed” planets in virtual worlds. As you say, portraying what we really expect is pretty much impossible, so “old school” is all there is. It’s not very interesting to be like, “here’s the future!” and have a picture of a gigantic question mark.
I personally think that Dyson spheres are silly, myself. There is more than enough matter on Earth to simulate a quadrillion beings for a quadrillion years.
January 26th, 2009 - 04:18
“I personally think that Dyson spheres are silly, myself. There is more than enough matter on Earth to simulate a quadrillion beings for a quadrillion years.”
– interesting. I expect that someone will build some machine that taps almost all of the solar output before 2200. The reason is that energy is so instrumentally useful that you’d want it just to brute force the proof of your favorite mathematical theorem, if nothing else.
“It’s not very interesting to be like, “here’s the future!†and have a picture of a gigantic question mark. ”
– indeed. This is why I am very interested in the OB sequence on fun theory. I think that there should be something intermediate between the question mark and terraformed mars, though I’m not sure exactly how to express this.
Incidentally, how focused is h+ on popularity with a large audience these days?
January 26th, 2009 - 08:05
2200 will never come. Our brains will be accelerated by a factor of millions before 2100. 2200 won’t be for millions of years.
Yeah, Fun Theory is awesome. The most recent post on it did some nice explaining of its usefulness that I hadn’t thought of.
Medium-focused.
January 26th, 2009 - 09:34
Considering I’m the only person I’ve seen mention it at all? I couldn’t say.
However, the reason for the EM field isn’t to protect people from cosmic radiation. It’s to prevent solar storms from stripping the atmosphere. It is the lack of an electromagnetic “bubble” around Mars that has lead to the escape of its atmosphere over time. Each time a solar storm hits Mars, another chunk of its atmosphere reaches escape velocity.
And if you’re willing to go the vonNeumann approach to constructing EM generators for Mars, it gets less problematic.
I also find the concept somewhat nostalgiac as it invokes memories of Barsoom and John Carter. :)
Perhaps, but just because it’s there doesn’t mean it has a high level of availability. Or that it will be used for that purpose. I remain convinced that a significant portion of the human race will not opt for simulation. Even if it is only 1%, that’s still worth worrying about.
Especially when we further consider that if we’re all simulated and accelerated a few orders of magnitude, then the population of human minds could readily exceed a quadrillion individuals within a couple of decades.
January 26th, 2009 - 14:26
Michael said: “Medium-focused.”
– that’s interesting. I gathered a while ago that there was some consensus that public that much support wasn’t worth worrying. It seems like an interesting move.
February 26th, 2009 - 23:35
How could a Terrafrom Mars have so much water?
Where would it come from?
December 26th, 2009 - 19:16
@13 –
It is conceivable that Mars has deep rooted ice formation. If we were to pump massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, the resulting melted ice would evaporate into the atmosphere. — this could cause the water cycle to initiate… instead of a red planted, a blue planet with a cloud system and possibly large oceanic developments would birth. Though this is purely speculation.
October 18th, 2011 - 12:28
Shall I propose the “Let’s take all the CO2 on earth, and put it somewhere else” suggestion?
June 7th, 2010 - 18:29
Hey Michael, is this your work? I found a similar rolled out world map-like image on a shatters.net and the website is no longer up. I’m trying to find the creator. This planet view looks almost identical. I’m looking for the creator of:
Terraformed Mars Mark III. Would that be you?
July 12th, 2010 - 19:39
Hey, I saw your poster here on this blog and I would love to print these out and sell them to some science centers around some cities, if you’re the author, can I make some? I’m looking for the original artist too.
July 12th, 2010 - 19:58
Hi, this image is public domain.
No image I post on this blog is ever mine. It’s always public domain. You should assume that holds with every blog on the Internet.
April 14th, 2011 - 15:49
I gotta admit, this is really something we gotta look into.. I have an idea.. Would it be possible to harvest greenhouse gasses from Venus, and use them to help worlds like Mars perserve heat better?
September 30th, 2011 - 10:26
The terraforming of Mars WILL happen. It just won’t happen with the help of transhumanists. What do you think will happen to the hold outs? Those who reject transhumanism completely? Just as the Mennonites and the Amish reject technology and live simple, communal lives, the hold outs will eventually fall under the spell of some pseudo messianic visionary who claims that “We must build a new world for ourselves, free of the transhumanists. These “Betrayers of the Flesh†are an abomination before God.†or some other such nonsense. They will see Mars as their own new Manifest Destiny. It will take generations for them to do and they will be more than willing to do it.
The rejection of technology is a common theme in Science Fiction because it is a recurring issue in our past and present. To this day there are those who believe it is our destiny to suffer, toil and die.
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