Goertzel on “Transcendent Man”: “Two Nano-Enhanced Cyberthumbs Up” Wednesday, May 6 2009
singularity 1:32 pm
Ben Goertzel got to see the opening of The Transcendent Man, the biographical Kurzweil film. He reviewed it yesterday at h+ magazine. I read that he was given heavy applause by the audience himself, and appears in the movie for 4-5 minutes, where he talks about becoming gods instead of just making them. Pretty forceful — I like it. In lieu of becoming a god, I’d rather become an icicle (cryonically suspended) than worm food.
Here’s how the movie opens:
Pulling no punches, the movie begins with the notion of the Singularity – a moment in time at which scientific and technological progress become so rapid as to defy human comprehension, with revolutionary developments occurring nearly instantaneously, and legacy human minds left in the dust by AI and cyborg intelligences.
Regular AF readers will know by now that I object to the framing of the Singularity meme in this way. To me, the Singularity is about greater-than-human intelligence, the miracle of “smartness” (seeing obvious solutions where others see nothing), and the myriad benefits it would offer that go beyond just technological development, such as the elimination of cognitive biases and the creation of a morality that is consistent under reflection. I also think “left in the dust” is a bit harsh, because in a positive Singularity no one would need to feel “left in the dust” at all, even if in objective terms it actually occurs. Remember, in my view, the post-Singularity world will look more like Renaissance Europe than Futurama.
However, in favor of the “left in the dust” argument, it seems likely that the minds to most quickly augment and ascend will be those with few compunctions about coherent human-style self-identity and penchants for smelling the roses. Anthropocentric transhumanists like to imagine themselves and their friends being the smartest minds around at any given time, but human-style continuity of identity is incompatible with very steep ascension speeds. The smartest mind will always be an alien one, and we’d damn well better hope (or better yet, act now) that said mind takes human-friendly actions despite its alienness in other areas.
In the sigh-producing department, supposedly there is a part with Hugo de Garis in the film where he says:
“Would I build these machines, if I knew there was a strong chance they would destroy humanity?” asks evolvable hardware researcher Hugo de Garis.
His answer? “Yeah.”
Why are there are some transhumanists who consider utterances like these to be socially or morally acceptable? Because de Garis has a fun personality otherwise? Is joking around about destroying humanity with AI funny/cool?
Skipping ahead to the conclusion:
I don’t know what the less Singularity-savvy members of the audience thought about that interchange — but I do know that, as the evening rolled on, none of them looked bored. And that, really, is the strength of Transcendent Man. It doesn’t go into much depth about the science and engineering that is bringing the Singularity to pass – for that the viewer will have to go buy Ray’s book The Singularity Is Near, Damien Broderick’s The Spike, or one of the numerous other books on future technology. But the film does get across the essential flavor of the radical future vision that Kurzweil, Vinge and other present-day Singularity sages are promulgating, and without ever getting preachy or long-winded. With a bit of luck, the movie may well prove an important step in the process of imprinting some critical ideas on the mass mind of our species… at this very special juncture of our history where we find ourselves, as man stands on the verge of his own… well… transcension.
Happy that the film got a positive review!




Despite just tooting Kurzweil’s own horn, I hope the film gives at least half of its time to cover transhumanism and AI. Then it’s worth it.
Animated discussion at Slashdot
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/06/1916249
Saw it on Friday at a Tribeca screening. The film’s really best thought of as a primer- good to pass around to people who haven’t heard of the singularity, fun for those of us who have but nothing new is contained within. Transhumanism and AI are discussed but, again, only in so much as they need to be touched on to explain the overall idea.
On the negative side, people who aren’t receptive to the idea or to RK walk away with the feeling that RK’s just a sad man with father issues. I felt the time spent on Poppa Kurzweil humanized Ray, which is important since one of the large objections people seem to have with the singularity is how dehumanizing it is (or, at the least, they see it as being).
On a film making note, the Doc is quick moving and enjoyable. Though the subject matter may limit its appeal, the film making makes the film accessible to a wide audience.
During the Q&A I asked Ptolemy if he’d release any of the other footage he shot (or even some of the apparently thousands of letters he exchanged with Kurzweil). It seemed to me that it’s fairly likely we’ll eventually get a lot more footage (interviews with dozens upon dozens of people that either much longer if they made it into the final film at all). The letters he said he’d have to talk to RK about releasing- and the vibe I got was that Ptolemy wasn’t likely to pursue that.
I don’t see the reasoning behind the anger and disgust with Kurzweil wanting to reunite with his father. What is so wrong with love? His method for doing it is wrong sure…but give the man a break. He obviously has a strong loving memory of his father. Hopefully he can be reunited with him in a manner that is humane and technologically ethical rather than his current plan of trying to clone DNA from his father’s grave and insert copies of memories.
I think people’s harsh reaction stems from how dismissible it is. Rather than listen to him, they’re looking for a reason for thinking he’s wrong (bare in mind, I’m only talking about people that are hostile to the very idea of a singularity to begin with) and when he exposes this personal longing they say, ‘A ha. He has psychological problems. He can’t get over his father’s death.’ And other like comments…
This actually is a serious problem for ‘selling’ the idea of the singularity to the masses. The Singularity offends some people- usually those that are religious fundamentalists- and RK’s desire runs smack into something they feel is their territory- death and a life ever lasting. It’s unsurprising they’ll respond emotionally and make emotion based attacks in the same way that some people attack evolution as saying ‘our children are nothing but animals!’ (Technically true, but missing the point…)
Of course this conflict is also good in a way. I know more about evolution now from having to argue with pinheads than I ever would have otherwise bothered to learn. Even negative interactions could draw attention to the broader philosophies and issues that we want the world to be talking about.
“Is joking around about destroying humanity with AI funny/cool?”
– NO!
I think something serious needs to be done about this stance. I am pondering starting a movement to “name and shame” people who say these kind of things.
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