Wired Roasts Singularity University Friday, Jul 3 2009
singularity 5:50 pm
As some of you may have already noticed, WIRED published a mocking “letter of acceptance” on Singularity University. This extends a long trend of WIRED simultaneously boosting and insulting Singularitarians and Transhumanists, a mighty confusing one.
For instance, the WIRED science blog is written by two people who seem pretty damn transhumanistic. They wrote about saving the “mind uploading” article on Wikipedia, which is so obscure and niche that even I decided not to bother posting about it. In contrast, here’s another anti-Singularity (anti-Kurzweil, specifically) article on WIRED from last year, presumably to counterbalance the article focused on Ray.
Adam Mann says that “the magazine has also long been a backer of the pro-Kurzweil, go Singularity movement”, then says:
I feel like the stance among the general staff may be changing. And this month they ran a humorous dig at Kurzweil’s Singularity University. Has even Wired adopted an anti-Singularity stance?
Probably not. I think it’s just the fact that Kurzweil and the Singularity are on an upswing in the media and his assumptions are being held out in the full light of day. Maybe Kurzweil is reaching the peak of his own public-attention-exponential-growth curve? As more people start to follow his movement, perhaps there will start to be larger skepticism for it as well. I can only hope.
But Mr. Mann, if WIRED were pro-Singularity all along, why would the upswing make any difference? They’ve been exposed to the ideas since day one. The fact of the matter is that WIRED is a lot of different people, some pro-Singularity, some anti. My conception of the Singularity is quite different than Ray’s anyway, so I am not tremendously concerned about skepticism or support — except when it comes to specific points. That is why I responded aggressively to Horgan’s criticism of the “Singularity”, but ignore other criticisms, like PZ Myers’.
I’ve been in this pro/anti-Singularity shtick for what seems like so long (since I was 17), that nowadays the communication here is mostly automatic. What I notice are little personality quirks and traits, for instance that Horgan is badass enough to insult Newsweek (“I didn’t think anyone read that anymore”) while being paid by them. The main thing I am concerned about is that Friendly AI projects are funded. A friendly seed, that’s all I want. Everything else is ultimately cultural.
“For just as every seed holds the power and magic of creation, so too do you, and every other creature in this world.” — Magi Lune, Fern Gully




They, like me, might be Pro-singularity, but anti-Kurzweil. Personally, I think he’s a plague on the idea, and that Singularity University is a terrible idea, and I’ve loved the singularity since I read Vinge’s paper.
The thing about the singularity is that it is mostly inevitable, assuming that the march of science and technology continues.
To me, that means that we always must stay perfectly within reach of existing research or we will become just another cult fringe group, and above all we must avoid all appearance of Kookery! Having a ‘Singularity University’ gives, like nothing else, just that appearance.
You can’t separate what’s “ultimately cultural” from the rest that easily. The idea of singularity itself is part of culture.
I’m not yet very familiar with the concept of singularity. However, the little material that I cam across (Sam’s comment included) all refer the singularity’s inevitability. I made an attempt to rationalize my discomfort with this idea in a blog post http://bit.ly/dPvkt but I still struggle with it.
Evren Kiefer > all refer the singularity’s inevitability
The development of smarter than human intelligence is not inevitable, or even close to being inevitable. We could easily snuff ourselves out with nukes or synthetic viruses.
Ray, like any other technology, is both a blessing and a curse. One of my best friends and biggest helps in starting the Teme Foundation thought I was absolutely crazy until he looked up Kurzweil’s talks and fell down our rabbit-hole.
I, like Evren, believe culture is an indivisible aspect of our environment. While I don’t believe the Singularity is a cult, our disdain or hesitancy for openness causes, in part, the label. I so often share the frustration of dealing with, frankly, destructively ignorant people. I have to constantly remind myself *why* I set the PTS as a goal.
I’m a huge advocate for engineering a variety of memes. Some existing memes, like Kurzweil’s Singularitarianism, are useful in respects, but often insufficient or counterproductive. While Teme shares SingU’s mission, we aim to enable undergraduates: To interface with conservative academia we must avoid existing brands as “transhumanism.” Birthing new patterns is lonely labor, but even if the “Teme” brand does not spread, it will help refine other ideas in or memetic ecosystem.
Honestly, though, I grow weary of trying to build a movement. I know I’m likely errant, but I feel I am the closest to a complete framework including the Friendliness Solution. It eats me up inside that I must trifle in relatively insignificant concerns when faced with such a high stakes game.
I feel your frustration, Michael, but you’re an inspiration to me. Keep up the good work, and try to resist becoming mechanical: If we lose our sense of self, the fight will be lost.
A technological singularity is not inevitable. If it were, we could all just sit back and wait for it to happen. The criticisms of the Singularity University that I have are firstly that the term “university” seems like a misnoma, and secondly based upon reading the FAQ what goes on inside the SU doesn’t appear to be actively pushing anything towards the ultimate goal. As I understand it the SU will merely be presenting graphs and trends in front of an audience who are already probably substantially aware of them.
Michael, I agree that the mood at WIRED has always probably been a mix of pro and anti Singularity people (though even to couch it in those terms ignores the fact that everyone has their own opinion). It just seemed to me that, while earlier issues had been more dominated by a “pro” mood, some of the more recent ones have started to air criticisms. And as Kurzweil becomes more popular (and releases a movie or two, which will have to stand up to more public scrutiny) I think that more people will be drawn into the debate on both sides.
As for the recent dig at Singularity U, you have to admit it was pretty funny.
“The development of smarter than human intelligence is not inevitable, or even close to being inevitable. We could easily snuff ourselves out with nukes or synthetic viruses.”
Absolutely. Not to mention that IF it happens, the mindspace for un-friendly AGI is much larger than for friendly AGI.
Hi Michael, we’re hosting public panels each week… hope you can join this Thur – http://singularityu.org/news/2009/07/su-challenges-pane
Bruce, thanks a lot for the heads-up, unfortunately I was out of town that day.