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	<title>Comments on: Computable AIXI &#8212; Should We Be Afraid?</title>
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	<description>Transhumanism, AI, nanotechnology, the Singularity, and extinction risk.</description>
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		<title>By: frankie</title>
		<link>http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/computable-aixi-should-we-be-afraid/#comment-161068</link>
		<dc:creator>frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 04:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are you serious. it will become so smart it will kill everyone. are you stupidly retarded. thats all you can think about. dont you realize we build it with kill switches. dont you realize they are not gonna be the smartest we are because we built them. they will turn into biological entities. they werent born that way we were. it took us thousands of years to build a skycraper that reaches the heavens now nothing will stop us as a humanity especially me hahahahahahahahahah. we will become one with them. duh duh duh duh stupid  human no wonder it took you this long to evolve ahhhh terminator runnn!!! you will see because i will show you. hahahahah stupid stupid stupid stupid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you serious. it will become so smart it will kill everyone. are you stupidly retarded. thats all you can think about. dont you realize we build it with kill switches. dont you realize they are not gonna be the smartest we are because we built them. they will turn into biological entities. they werent born that way we were. it took us thousands of years to build a skycraper that reaches the heavens now nothing will stop us as a humanity especially me hahahahahahahahahah. we will become one with them. duh duh duh duh stupid  human no wonder it took you this long to evolve ahhhh terminator runnn!!! you will see because i will show you. hahahahah stupid stupid stupid stupid</p>
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		<title>By: Raina Sellards</title>
		<link>http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/computable-aixi-should-we-be-afraid/#comment-140210</link>
		<dc:creator>Raina Sellards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t often comment on blogs, but just wanted to say I completely enjoyed reading. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t often comment on blogs, but just wanted to say I completely enjoyed reading. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Anissimov</title>
		<link>http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/computable-aixi-should-we-be-afraid/#comment-129136</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Anissimov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why do you think moral realism is the major problem here? Anti-realism is hardly a novel position, especially among the scientific materialists that I assume most AI researchers are.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe that they are still moral realists.  I was a moral realist without knowing it for a long time, even when I considered myself very science-minded.  

Scientific materialists anthropomorphize.  They also reify morality, though the extent to which they do varies significantly.  They fall prey to the Mind Projection Fallacy.  People like me and you still fall prey to it all the time without even knowing it, even though we&#039;re familiar with the fallacy and have studied it.  The human mind is terrible at representing things fuzzily.  (Representing them with the rationally justified degree of uncertainty.)  

&lt;blockquote&gt;Personally, I would bet on the most important philosophical error being (object-level) underestimation of the complex fragility of value, thinking that greater intelligence, ‘complexity’, or whatever is desirable without qualification, not wanting to seem parochial.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As you point out below, this is intimately connected to moral realism.  I believe that the reason why many scientific materialists can&#039;t see the fragility and complexity of morality, even though it&#039;s right in front of them, is due to moral reification, Mind Projection Fallacy, and moral realism.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I also suspect philosophical errors are less important than simply not taking the problem seriously enough. However, without any data I’m not confident in any of this. Has anyone ever tried to survey the field and catalogue reasons for non-concern?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, they haven&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<blockquote><p>Why do you think moral realism is the major problem here? Anti-realism is hardly a novel position, especially among the scientific materialists that I assume most AI researchers are.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe that they are still moral realists.  I was a moral realist without knowing it for a long time, even when I considered myself very science-minded.  </p>
<p>Scientific materialists anthropomorphize.  They also reify morality, though the extent to which they do varies significantly.  They fall prey to the Mind Projection Fallacy.  People like me and you still fall prey to it all the time without even knowing it, even though we&#8217;re familiar with the fallacy and have studied it.  The human mind is terrible at representing things fuzzily.  (Representing them with the rationally justified degree of uncertainty.)  </p>
<blockquote><p>Personally, I would bet on the most important philosophical error being (object-level) underestimation of the complex fragility of value, thinking that greater intelligence, ‘complexity’, or whatever is desirable without qualification, not wanting to seem parochial.</p></blockquote>
<p>As you point out below, this is intimately connected to moral realism.  I believe that the reason why many scientific materialists can&#8217;t see the fragility and complexity of morality, even though it&#8217;s right in front of them, is due to moral reification, Mind Projection Fallacy, and moral realism.</p>
<blockquote><p>I also suspect philosophical errors are less important than simply not taking the problem seriously enough. However, without any data I’m not confident in any of this. Has anyone ever tried to survey the field and catalogue reasons for non-concern?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, they haven&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/computable-aixi-should-we-be-afraid/#comment-129105</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We already have human-surpassing self-improving systems.  They are called &quot;companies&quot;.  They haven&#039;t destroyed all humans yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already have human-surpassing self-improving systems.  They are called &#8220;companies&#8221;.  They haven&#8217;t destroyed all humans yet.</p>
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		<title>By: AGItated</title>
		<link>http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/computable-aixi-should-we-be-afraid/#comment-129070</link>
		<dc:creator>AGItated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears to me that smart people lie more (where it matters, where there&#039;s a perceived high payoff to do so) and more successfully (getting what they want, not getting caught) than less intelligent folks (who lie where the payoff is low, fail at being convincing, and get caught). Lying successfully clearly requires intelligence, juggling two or more world models instead of just one.

It wouldn&#039;t be any fun in a game if the AI didn&#039;t have the ability to give misleading signs of its intentions, i.e. lie. It would lack the unpredictability of a human opponent who employs all tricks of deception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears to me that smart people lie more (where it matters, where there&#8217;s a perceived high payoff to do so) and more successfully (getting what they want, not getting caught) than less intelligent folks (who lie where the payoff is low, fail at being convincing, and get caught). Lying successfully clearly requires intelligence, juggling two or more world models instead of just one.</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t be any fun in a game if the AI didn&#8217;t have the ability to give misleading signs of its intentions, i.e. lie. It would lack the unpredictability of a human opponent who employs all tricks of deception.</p>
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